The new challenge is, how many rope climbs can you do, without stopping or feet touching the ground, with no use of the legs.

I managed a paltry two. I assume Jeff is going to come in tonight and do four, or something ridiculous like that.

hell no

Kurt,

My elbow is sore and I assume it's just bruised. At least you know your kick can do some damage :)

Continuing on my post from last night, read this:
http://crossfitnyc.com/2007/10/deja-vu.html#comments

Jeff - the inverted rope climb calls to you....

I want this:

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Jeff, I'm lazy and like to just log my wods on the site, but I do have a personal score card, which i also keep online. Its my go to for all my stats.

(does anyone have one with a complete list of different wods and excercises?)

mine is a work in progress
but looks like this

OHS: 95, Front Squat: 215, Bench: 214,

Push Press: 165 Push Jerk: 165

DeadLift: 345 BackSquat: 225, ShPress: 135

Crossfit Total: 665

Fran: 7:06 , FGB: 250 , Cindy: 20 , Angie: , Murph:

RUN 1.5m: 12:36 , 5k: 27:31 , 4m: 35:14
SWIM 500yds: ??:00
Max in 2min: Pushups: 40, Situps: 100
Max Pull-ups: 20

that reminds me...
www.logsitall.com

By the way, I went back through the archives to relive the drama that was "The" Kurt's introduction to the Box.

Also interesting in that thread was Bad Sam's early testimonial of elements class where he notes that he had gained 4 pounds of muscle. Was he drinking Muscle Milk or protein-fortified Kool-Aid?

Anyway, the lesson learned is that surly customer service will earn you a 18' rope in return!

Yeah, I guess I was a poor "black box" result for what happens with bad customer service. When you have a good product, particularly a geographic monopoly on that product, the inflexible demand means you can treat your potential customers like crap and still have them come back. I don't think we should follow that model with B3. We are certainly not the only option for gyms in brooklyn and not even the only CF gym. Let's not make the same missteps twice.

Sam- I feel really bad about the elbow. Hope it feels better soon and you are still interested in boxing drills.

Bad Sam
You may have been holding the Thai pads wrong.

FYI,

Anyone wanting to do Blackjack from 21 would be doing 231 pushups and 231 squats.

Doing Blackjack from 15 we did 120 pushups, 120 squats.

Kurt,

Do you really feel you were ever treated like crap?

Add to your list of competitive advantages of Black Box Manhattan(good product, geographic monopoly) a few disdadvantages: Extraordinarly high rent; extremely high instructor-to-client ratio, negative profitability.

I was not a Black Box owner at the time you joined, but I am in absolute awe of the efforts made by those who were.

To put in perspective, if one year from now, a new Black Box Queens member is posting on the Queens site suggesting that they not make the sorts of mistakes that were made in the early days of Black Box Brooklyn, you can be sure I will be rising in your defense as well.

Attn: One-Armed Bandit
http://www.board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?p=342035#post342035

Anyone remember this?

http://www.crossfitnyc.org/archives/2008/03/tommy_v.html

405 jumping towel pull-ups yeah!

That guy's going to sign up for Elements.

Btw, the Brooklyn side has more comments than the Manhattan side right now.

I have enough trouble keeping up with Manhattan Box comments. Now I have a whole other blog to read. Y'all killin' me!

Sam- it was that work out that actually cemented the idea of setting up a rope climb. Towel pull ups suck.
After thinking about what Jeff said, I believe he is right that the proper grip in pronated. Just remember not to hook your thumb under the holding strap. As for black jack- you make an excellent point.

Hari- I honestly believe that good practices for a business, regardless of profitability or other issues, should not include calling potential customers cowards. My comment above isn't a call out or a challenge to Manhattan or any of the trainers. I am grateful for what they put together. I think we have the opportunity to learn from the past and chose to adopt a more friendly approach, at least until there is a mutual respect that allows the friendly competition/jokes that abound amoung the members.

For better or worse, new yorkers are a surly bunch, but still expect to be treated with some amount of respect, even on the interwebs. I believe our goal at B3 is to provide a safe, fun, effective and profitable place for people to workout as part of a community. I think customer relations are a key point in that.

I hope that a year from now a group is laboring in queens saying that they don't want to make the same mistakes we made today or tomorrow. Making decisions means making mistakes and I hope we have enough institutional memory to learn from our past. Even if the B3 is a resounding success, which I expect it to be, we will still do things that can be done better next time.

Today's WOD
14:30 (65#)

Jeff-I want Dairy Queen now!!!

Kurt
Entertaining the thought of doing a 21 round Black Jack would be the very definition of hubris.

Erica
That seems like a really good time to me. It took me over double that time. You should ask Josh what his time was. He only did 10 more pounds than you.

21:12 w/ 24kg Kettlebells. Juan had dibs on the bar. I respect dibs. Kettlebells were a little rough.

Erica that is a crazy sick time! amazing!

Kurt- now that you live in new york are u also surly?

come on-that is so ridiculous. I would venture to say that pretty much every person u have met at either black box has not been surly. But posting things on the site referring to all new yorkers as surly surely won't help with customer service/relations in the future.

ok I will admit I am a bit surly after the first round of fight gone bad.then and when moon makes me walk 20 miles in blazing heat on the side of some highway where every serial killer is hiding out, in order to get lunch at a cvs.

moon-sam- i am ready for another cert.
sam-cece's pizza is on me

did todays wod with
115 lbs

31:06, I think.

thanks Moon for staring at my ass the whole time and everyone else for reminding me to keep my hands on that barbell.

and good job to Abby for showing that kettlebell who the frikkin boss is.

Kurt,

The comments are open. Unless we start censoring the boards (we wont) sooner or later, some potential member is going to take what is perceived as a swipe at you and/or your peers. When that happens, you'll see part of your theory on customer service go down the drain as the current members respond swiftly and decisively in your defense.

Customers are not always right, but even if you want treat them like they are, current members are customers too, and when they are displeased by the comments of a new arrivial, they are going to let their feelings be known.

Well I can tell you that Im looking to be the person opening BB-Queens (zombie fitness) in a year and is one of the reasons I want the Brooklyn spot to be so successful. We have to also balance customer service, with the attitude that is Crossfit (which the 2 can obviously butt heads many times). But seeing how much Brooklyn has grown in the past few weeks is beyond amazing, and our class on Tues which was pretty damn great is a testament to all the hard work that everyone involved with BBB has put in. Surely and all...

That being said, asking a big favor here. Posted this on the admin site as well... Family is in town for 4th of July weekend and was wondering if anyone can cover the beginners class tonight (Thursday the 3rd)? Much appreciated if anyone can cover me here. Thanks!!!

Michelle - Up for another cert? You know - that's not a bad idea... Aside from knowing that The Long March built character, I told ya we would figure out a way home. :)

Justin - I and others will be there for both the 7 and, if necessary, later class.

Abby - Great job yesterday.

Erica - Congratz on the great time and thank you for letting me join your 10x unbroken double-under club. :)

I appreciate it... I can come and do Sunday if needed to help anyone out.

In "The Kurt Incident", the customer service could have and should have been handled better. Kurt did his due diligence and quite politely asked some reasonable questions, to which he did indeed receive a canned response. Considering that the daily posting was promoting the upcoming Elements class, not accommodating those inquiries seems inconsistent to say the least.

The poster david had a legitimate criticism concerning Kurt not getting an adequate email reply, but Kurt already knew this. On the other hand, david was totally off base about EVERYTHING else.

For people thinking about going back for another round of certs:
It seems that the Tony Blauer Center in VA Beach is going to be the East Coast hub for CF. They're holding several level I certs there every month/weekend and they're beginning to offer level II certs. The trainers told us that they prefer that level I's get at least 6 months of training experience before coming back for level II. Also there's something like 50% pass/fail rate.

Jeff

That's what we were told at our last cert, re the level 2 certs being held at Virginia Beach.

To be honest, i've spoken with some people about level 2 and most seem to think it's a waste of money. I mean, if you're a good trainer, you're a good trainer from the 6 months experience, not from a weekend at Virginia beach. Additionally, I expect when we start doing elements at BBB I will learn more from helping Court with his elements class than I would at a level 2 cert.

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